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That’s a great attitude to have, Brach!
I believe you’ve created a very special thing in the Quaverato. If there’s a better sounding, more feature laden, easier to use, more versatile tremolo pedal out there, I’m not aware of it…nor could I imagine the possibility. And the kit was a ton of fun and highly rewarding, not to mention the absolutely flawless and very well thought out build instructions. Kudos, my good man!
I’d LOVE to see what you could do with a phase or chorus circuit!
As ive previously stated, I’ve tried several combinations of several different pedals in several different orders….with and without the PXL. Different cables, different power supplies on multiple pedals, etc etc etc etc. I changed and swapped and substituted every conceivable variable, and I mean EVERY SINGLE THING (without disassembling pedals and changing inner components).
My statement still stands. There is only one very specific situation in which the JUMP occurs, and that is:
Signal (either straight from the guitar, or from an activated opamp pedal, or from the upstream PXL loops, or from the guitar input of the PXL….SIGNAL ORIGIN DOES NOT MATTER UPSTREAM OF THE QUAVERATO)-> Quaverato IN [] Quaverato OUT->PXL loop RTN [] PXL loop SND (from the next loop downstream from the Quaverato)->(any) pedal (with an activated ((energized and in the circuit)) opamp (via buffer or otherwise) IN [] pedal OUT-> PXL loop RTN [] PXL OUT-> amp
In the following scenario, the jump DOES NOT occur:
Guitar->PXL IN [] PXL loop 7 SND->Quaverato IN [] Quaverato OUT->PXL loop 7 RTN [] PXL loop 8 SND->true bypass pedal OFF->PXL loop 8 RTN [] PXL out->amp.
In the following scenario, the jump DOES NOT occur:
Guitar->PXL IN [] PXL loop 7 SND->Quaverato IN [] Quaverato OUT->PXL loop 7 RTN [] PXL out->amp.
In the following scenario, the jump DOES NOT occur:
Guitar->PXL IN [] PXL loop 7 SND->Quaverato IN [] Quaverato OUT->amp.
In the following scenario, the jump DOES NOT occur:
Guitar->PXL IN [] PXL loop 6 SND-> (any) pedal (with or without activated opamp…it doesnt matter) IN [] pedal OUT-> PXL loop 6 RTN [] PXL loop 7 SND-> Quaverato IN [] Quaverato OUT->PXL loop 7 RTN [] PXL loop 8 SND->true bypass pedal OFF->PXL loop 8 RTN [] PXL out->amp.
In the following scenario, the jump DOES NOT occur:
Guitar->Quaverato IN [] Quaverato OUT->loop 7 RTN [] loop 8 SND->true bypass pedal OFF->loop 8 RTN [] PXL OUT-> amp
In the following scenario, the jump DOES NOT occur:
Guitar->Quaverato IN [] Quaverato OUT-> (any) pedal (whether on or off, whether true bypass or not, buffer or no, etc…doesn’t matter)IN [] pedal OUT-> amp. This scenario 100% completely bypasses the PXL.
In the following scenario, the jump DOES NOT occur:
Guitar->PXL loop 6 RTN [] PXL loop 7 SND->Quaverato IN [] Quaverato OUT->PXL loop 7 RTN [] PXL loop 8 SND->true bypass pedal OFF->PXL loop 8 RTN [] PXL out->amp.
This is how to ENGAGE the jump:
– OUTPUT SIDE of Quaverato MUST be connected to PXL in some operational fashion, through either the front/main guitar input, or through the return side of one of the loops.
– There MUST be an active opamp in the circuit downstream of the Quaverato->PXL combination. Where the signal goes from there is inconsequential. As long as the signal path is Quaverato->PXL->active opamp, the JUMP occurs. There can be 100 active OR bypassed opamps in the circuit upstream of the Quaverato, or 100 active OR bypassed opamps in the circuit downstream of the first initial active opamp in the circuit POST the problematic Quaverato->PXL->active opamp combination. It does not matter. The key is the Quaverato->PXL->active opamp combination.
I say again, THIS IS NOT A FREQUENCY SPECIFIC ISSUE. The volume is increased by roughly 20%, across the entire frequency spectrum…evenly.
The JUMP occurs whether a pedal is “effecting” (as in PHASING or CHORUSING) the signal or not. The “effect” is not important. The OPAMP is what is important. A clean buffer will cause the JUMP if it is inserted Quaverato->PLX->clean buffer (ACTIVE OPAMP).
Example of routing schematic:
Guitar->PLX IN [] loop 6 SND-> Boss Reverb IN [] Boss reverb OUT-> loop 6 RTN [] loop 7 SND -> Quaverato IN [] Quaverato OUT -> loop 7 RTN [] loop 8 SND -> Boss EQ IN [] Boss EQ OUT -> loop 8 RTN [] PLX OUT -> amp
In this schematic, all loops are engaged, all Boss pedals are OFF, and the Quaverato is ON…..
When taking loop 8 out of the signal path (disengaging), the output volume drops 20%. Toggling between engaging and disengaging loop 8 the output volume jumps up and down by 20%
I used Boss pedals in this schematic because they use clean and transparent always-on buffers (ACTIVE OPAMP).
I am trying VERY hard to be as clear and as detailed as I can possibly be. You keep assuming I’m confusing compression, distortion, modulation, frequency spikes with volume (SIGNAL LEVEL) And/or I’m running the Quaverato into a bunch of clipping stages and/or frequency/phase modulators.
I have tried very hard to leave ZERO room for assumption. What I’ve described, is exactly as described.
I hope I’ve made the issue clear. The length and redundancies are unfortunate, but seem necessary to negate any further confusion, and really drive the point home.
Thank you again for your time and willingness to investigate cause of this issue. I truly do appreciate it.
